It’s Over

It’s Over
by Steve Dines
11/14/12
———————————————————————It’s over. The relationship between the Lord Jesus Christ and the group of people who are called “the church” is finished. And if my life is as prophetic as I have come to believe it to be then look out, because fire and death will come upon us suddenly.

Church by church, assembly by assembly, the Lord has been visiting those who say they belong to Him, and church by church, assembly by assembly, each has fallen short of His evaluation. We have failed to hear His voice, we have turned a deaf ear.

Some people try to tell me that there are some good churches out there, but I don’t believe it. To my mind, to my whole being, there is no such thing as a “good” church.

It is with our beloved churches that we, like Old Testament Israel, have defiled the land; we have brought to ruin our promised life in Christ.

That’s because our love for that “sacred cow” we call local church has replaced our love for the Lord Jesus Christ.

We have come to believe that being in church is the same as being in Christ, that listening to church leaders is the same as listening to Christ, but they are complete opposites.

The difference is something that is of vital importance to us, it is a matter of life or death.

I saw a news item on a popular “church” news TV program last night, a church out West in Canada had burned to the ground and was completely destroyed. The Pastor and the congregation were wondering what it was God was trying to tell them. Perhaps the message is plain enough, “the second death is by fire”.

I know I keep on banging on about it, but I can’t keep quiet. This is my message:

Wherever you see hierarchy, formal use of power and authority, routine or mechanistic ways of getting things done and a predominance of one-way communication, then this is not the Lord Jesus Christ at work but men.

It is the work of men that has defiled our Holy Land, our Canaan, our promised life in Christ. It is our human thinking and our human ways that have set Christ aside and caused us to turn a deaf ear to the voice of the Lord. For years He has been calling us to repentance, now the time has come where He is giving us over to what we want. And what we are going to get will eventually destroy us.

We are going to get a radiant, beautiful church that has power. You want a transformed church? You’ll have it. You want an influential church? You’ll have it. You want a church that will unite all “believers”? You’ll have it, and then some. But you won’t have Christ. Because it’s over. The Lord is not going to suffer our insults any longer.

Since coming to Canada, I have come to learn there are two areas of my life you can’t touch, my intelligence and my integrity.

Insult my intelligence or question my integrity and you will see a side of me that you won’t think is very Christ-like. Perhaps the Lord built me this way so that I have a better understanding of how He feels about our churches. Not that I am excusing my sin or my sinful nature, I am having to face up to the fact that I need the life of Christ more than anyone.

But we have to face up to the fact that with our churches we insult the Lord’s intelligence and question His integrity. How? By organising and planning, by directing and controlling, by “leading” the people who are called by His Name. The Lord is quite capable of doing that without our help.

Is not putting ourselves in the place of Christ the work of anti-Christ?

Stay in church long enough and you will get the turnaround you have been asking, seeking and knocking for. But be warned, destruction will follow and you won’t see it coming. That’s because the Lord is testing your ability to hear Him now.

Look through scripture and tell me when there was an occasion where the Lord did something without announcing it well in advance first? Tell me when the Lord allowed people to continually turn a deaf ear to His warnings of destruction without eventually hardening their hearts such that they could not escape His judgement?

Church has brought us to the point of delusion. The time to leave church is now before it is too late.

Since writing “Too dark to work” I’ve been deeply troubled. The Lord speaks, we should listen and respond (willingly cooperate) accordingly. Failure to do so puts us in great danger. “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts” because those that do harden their hearts will perish.

God is not speaking to His people today through Pastors or Evangelists or so called Apostles or Prophets. He is speaking with His people directly. This is how He is sorting out the wheat from the tares, the sheep from the goats and the live branches from the dead ones.

Those of us speaking out about what we believe act as a means of ministering to the saints. We speak to encourage those who are hearing the Lord for themselves. Jesus didn’t tell Peter who He was, He asked. Now there’s a lesson for our local church leaders (and don’t forget, I used to be one who thought he would preach and teach!). Maybe now I should ask, “so who do you say church is?”.

So as far as church is concerned, it’s over. The Lord is done with it. He is not striving with men any longer.

The people who are, “called by His Name” must make their choice. Either take heed to the voice of the Lord and “come out of Her, My people” or face the consequences.

Fire and death are on their way. I know, because I’ve already lived it.

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10 Responses to It’s Over

  1. among the forgotten says:

    I don’t know if its over or not- as far as God’s patience with those who claim to know Him who still attend church. I agree though, the end is near and the time to exit is now. There are many sobering statements herein, none more than: “Is not putting ourselves in the place of Christ the work of antichrist?” The answer knodoubtedly, is yes.
    We have much to be grateful for, those of us God has individually revealed these truths to. No matter how painful, let us never take that for granted or hold these truths exclusively as our own. The truth is to be spoken as well as lived out. Maybe one more will hear prior to God’s impending judgment.
    Thanks for sharing this article Al. Hope all is well there on the homefront. I’ll be praying for you/family this evening.

  2. Al Nelson says:

    Hey Michael! God Bless you brother. I think we are in agreement that God is fed up with the institution, but He definitely loves His people inside and out of that institution. He wants us to be the church (the Eklessia, the called out ones) instead of just going to church and following man and the traditions of man. It seems we keep heralding this theme but no cares a bit about what God wants. Praying for you too brother, may God supply our needs and move us forward in declaring the Gospel!

  3. ian vincent says:

    For some reason it’s always been hard for people to accept the NT definition of church. As soon as we deviate away from the NT definition of church, then, is it church? Does this article even refer to the church Jesus said He will build?

  4. Al Nelson says:

    Hey Ian, how are your brother! Hope things are well!
    “Does this article even refer to the church Jesus said He will build?”
    Does he quote scripture to show how people should relate to one another? No, but I think he is pointing to Christ and to seek Him and His will apart from the traditions of men. The same kind of call I started this blog with.

  5. ian vincent says:

    Yes, i know he is pointing people to Jesus.

    Re: “God is not speaking to His people today through Pastors or Evangelists or so called Apostles or Prophets. He is speaking with His people directly. This is how He is sorting out the wheat from the tares, the sheep from the goats and the live branches from the dead ones.”

    I believe that God hasn’t changed in the way that He has always spoken to His people. Nothing has changed since (on His part) since 33AD.

    And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
    (Eph 4:11-13)

  6. ian vincent says:

    RE: “Those of us speaking out about what we believe act as a means of ministering to the saints. We speak to encourage those who are hearing the Lord for themselves.”

    And that’s they way it was in the beginning, and was always supposed to have been, so this brother is talking about God restoring things back to the way they always should have been, God restoring His church.

  7. Al Nelson says:

    Re: “God is not speaking to His people today through Pastors or Evangelists or so called Apostles or Prophets. He is speaking with His people directly. This is how He is sorting out the wheat from the tares, the sheep from the goats and the live branches from the dead ones.”

    No sir, God certainly has not changed. But as far as institution vs the Body of Christ a real separation is taking place. I took what he wrote in this way. God is no longer (if He ever did and I think at times God has) speaks through those in high positions in the institutional church. Things sure are messed up with the visual church as most folks see it. But God is still sovereign in those who know and follow Him right.

    “And that’s they way it was in the beginning, and was always supposed to have been, so this brother is talking about God restoring things back to the way they always should have been, God restoring His church.”
    Amen brother! I don’t think we’re in disagreement if I’m understanding you. We’re both looking forward to God restoring things as they should be.

  8. Perlee says:

    DOES Steve Dines have a website?

  9. Al Nelson says:

    Hi Perlee, I’m not aware of a website, but if you click on his name at the Faith Writers site, there are more of his writings.

  10. Todd Ott says:

    I think Steve Dines has a website called thechurchsystemisdead.com. Not much on the site. Has some stuff her I think: http://www.faithwriters.com/member-profile.php?id=30526

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